Cryptography Tier List

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Modern Cryptography Tier List Discussion

Speaker 1 0:04

All right , guys , let's do this . We all ready for a cryptography tier list ?

Speaker 2 0:07

Yeah , let's fucking do this .

Speaker 3 0:09

Obama , this is a bad idea . Bad idea . But people are saying I'm the best at tier lists , so let's go .

Speaker 1 0:15

Okay , we're starting with some classic algorithms . First up is the Caesar cipher .

Speaker 3 0:19

If the Caesar cipher is so great , how come he got stabbed ? I like people that don't get stabbed .

Speaker 2 0:24

Leave Brutus out of this . Donald the Caesar cipher was a great innovation for its time and accomplished its goal of securing communication between Caesar and his generals .

Speaker 1 0:33

I don't know , joe . It is just a fixed key substitution cipher after all .

Speaker 3 0:37

It's backdoored .

Speaker 1 0:39

It is not backdoored , it's just lame .

Speaker 2 0:41

The Caesar cipher is not for computers , it's for regular , hardworking Americans .

Speaker 3 0:45

Sleepy Joe is so old he only likes the ciphers that don't require computers .

Speaker 2 0:49

Fuck you , Donald . Let's see you try to defeat the Huns .

Speaker 1 0:52

Shut up , you two . I'm marking it as considered harmful , and that's that . Next up is a similar one , the Visionaire cipher . That wasn't actually invented by Visionaire , that's right , it was invented by an Italian .

Speaker 3 1:03

I don't care . They're all losers and suckers . It's a dog shit . Cipher defeated by frequency analysis .

Speaker 2 1:08

You can't deny it's better than the basic Caesar cipher Donald .

Speaker 1 1:11

I'm tired of talking about all this stuff from before Claude Shannon was even born . I'm putting it in C , tier one , above the Caesar cipher . Let's get to some more modern ciphers like DES .

Speaker 3 1:22

DES is dog shit . It was backdoored by GCHQ .

Speaker 1 1:25

What the fuck Donald GCHQ ? Make DES stronger by editing it to be resistant to differential cryptanalysis years before the existence of differential cryptanalysis was declassified .

Speaker 2 1:36

He's absolutely right , donald , I was there .

Speaker 1 1:38

Wait , how old are you ?

Speaker 3 1:39

You can't honestly be telling me you're using DES . It only has 64-bit blocks . Even if the S-boxes weren't dog shit , the whole thing is too close to the birthday . Bound on modern connections .

Speaker 2 1:50

Whose birthday is it ?

Speaker 1 1:51

It's not anybody's birthday .

Speaker 2 1:53

Trump said it was close to someone's birthday . No , he didn't .

Speaker 3 1:56

Of course , obama likes DES , he bailed out the banks , and all the banks used 3DS .

Speaker 1 2:01

If the banks used better cryptography , maybe I wouldn't have had to bail them out . Ds was impressive at the time , but it is a bad choice in modern times . I'm marking it as considered harmful . How about Diffie Hellman ? New directions in cryptography ? Seems like an easy S tier .

Speaker 3 2:18

Wrong the S-boxes . Split out the elliptic curve Diffie Hellman and the finite field Diffie Hellman . Finite field Diffie Hellman was not a good deal . Elliptic curves are a better deal .

Speaker 2 2:29

What the hell is he talking about ?

Speaker 1 2:30

Fine , we can drop finite field Diffie Hellman to A tier . Next up is RSA S tier .

Speaker 3 2:37

Sleepy Joe is so old he still thinks RSA is a good idea . Have you ever tried padding an RSA ciphertext , Joe , RSA is C tier at best .

Speaker 2 2:46

You set the padding bytes to the number of bytes . This is that simple .

Speaker 3 2:50

Pkcs my ass , sleepy Joe .

Speaker 1 2:52

Would you cut it out , you two ? Rsa certainly is impactful , but we really should have listened to Rogue in the 90s about Pkcs versus OEAP .

Speaker 3 3:02

Blickenbacker is going to fuck you up , Sleepy Joe .

Speaker 2 3:05

Anyone can tell you not to use E equals three Donald .

Speaker 3 3:08

No , the other Blickenbacker .

Speaker 1 3:10

There are a lot of Blickenbacker attacks . I can't keep track of them all .

Speaker 3 3:13

C tier .

Speaker 1 3:14

S tier . I'm splitting the difference and putting it B tier , even though Shamir and Koblets are both going to kill me . This is crap . Shut up , Joe . Okay , next up is Blowfish .

Speaker 3 3:24

Blowfish . We're talking about Blowfish .

Speaker 2 3:27

Is that the porn star you slept with ?

Speaker 3 3:29

You just hate me because I'm cool and rich and you're old , Sleepy Joe .

Speaker 1 3:33

It's a cipher from Schneier .

Speaker 2 3:34

Didn't he come to the White House when you and I were president ?

Speaker 1 3:37

I don't know , probably he just does policy now .

Speaker 3 3:40

I can't believe this cipher is even here . It was cool for two minutes in the 90s .

Speaker 2 3:45

Like Oasis .

Speaker 3 3:46

Sleepy Joe gets it .

Speaker 1 3:47

Yeah , it was fine , but there's really no reason to use it these days . C tier the RC4 stream cipher is next . That should be an easy considered harmful .

Speaker 3 3:56

Good call Obama . Rc4 is totally broken . If you use RC4 , china can read all your plaintext like they have a golden key .

Speaker 2 4:03

Trump knows all about golden streams . Ha good one , joe .

Speaker 1 4:07

Thanks Obama . Okay , aes should be an easy S tier .

Speaker 3 4:11

What the fuck Obama ? Aes is too underspecified to be S ? Tier . To do anything with it , you have to use a fancy cipher mode . It doesn't work out of the box like the ciphers from DJB .

Speaker 2 4:22

Who is DJB ?

Speaker 3 4:23

He's the best cryptographer .

Speaker 1 4:25

Why are we talking about DJB ? I've never heard of him . Everyone has heard of DJB , but I don't think we should be putting him on a pedestal . He said some crazy shit and hangs out with bad people .

Speaker 2 4:37

Like Trump's mom .

Speaker 1 4:38

Exactly Joe .

Speaker 3 4:39

What the fuck Obama .

Speaker 1 4:41

Be quiet , Donald . I dare to say AES needs to be used in the proper mode to be safe . I think that's more NIST's fault , but I'll put it in A tier . Speaking of modes , CBC is up next .

Speaker 2 4:52

CBC is all you need to encrypt as much as you want .

Speaker 3 4:55

Once again , Sleepy Joe doesn't understand how to implement secure padding . Are you really using CBC mode , Joe ?

Speaker 2 5:02

You can do random access decryption . What's not to like ?

Speaker 3 5:05

What's not to like . It's called padding oracles Joe .

Speaker 1 5:08

Skill issue . I agree with Trump . We have better options these days , Joe .

Speaker 2 5:12

H-Mac the ciphertext and it's all fine .

Speaker 1 5:14

No one does that . Everyone does Mac than encrypt who ?

Speaker 2 5:17

does Mac than encrypt .

Speaker 3 5:18

TLS . Does that , joe ? That's why it's dog shit . Remember Poodle .

Speaker 2 5:21

Shut the fuck up , Donald . Wait , what do dogs have to do with this ?

Speaker 1 5:25

Both of you shut the fuck up . Cbc is C tier .

Speaker 2 5:27

Trump said there was a Poodle .

Speaker 1 5:29

Poodle is a padding oracle attack on CBC mode in SSLv3 . Then , where is the dog ?

Speaker 3 5:34

Obama is hiding the dog .

Speaker 1 5:35

No , I'm not . What the fuck are you two talking about ? I'm moving on . H-mac is up next .

Speaker 2 5:41

That shit is S tier for sure .

Speaker 3 5:42

Sleepy Joe , have you never heard of an AEAD ? I bet this guy has never heard of an AEAD . What are you using H-Mac for ?

Speaker 1 5:48

Donald has a point H-Mac is great , but you don't need to use it . If you're able to use an AEAD like AES , gcm , I'll knock it down to A tier . H-mac is core to .

Speaker 2 5:58

Kim Dem Brock .

Speaker 1 6:00

Everyone stopped using Kems until we got to post quantum cryptography . Joe .

Speaker 3 6:04

Joe is so old he's still using an abacus 64K of RAM should be enough for anybody .

Speaker 1 6:09

Speaking of old stuff , we've got SSLv2 up next .

Speaker 2 6:12

What happened to SSLv1 ?

Speaker 1 6:14

Well , Joe , you'd have to ask Marc Andreessen that .

Speaker 3 6:16

I'll ask Peter Thiel .

Speaker 1 6:17

What ? Why , would you ask Peter Thiel ? He wasn't at Netscape in the 90s .

Speaker 2 6:21

I was in Wilmington in the 90s .

Speaker 3 6:23

He's my favorite venture capitalist .

Speaker 1 6:25

This doesn't have to do with VCs or A16Z . This is about Netscape .

Speaker 2 6:29

I got Netscape off my AOL CDs . Does anyone need minutes ?

Speaker 1 6:32

Minutes . How do you still have minutes ?

Speaker 2 6:34

I bought 40 years worth of minutes in 98 , and I'm still working through them .

Speaker 1 6:38

I can't believe this . I'm putting SSLv2 in considered harmful because its handshake is vulnerable to MITM .

Speaker 3 6:44

Those third-rate developers at the fake news organization OpenSSL left it enabled by default for too long and gave us drown . Sslv2 is a garbage protocol .

Speaker 2 6:55

OpenSSL has done more for encrypted communications than any other software package in the world .

Speaker 3 7:00

Remember Heartbleed sleepy Joe , Disastrous , gross incompetence , worst library ever .

Speaker 2 7:05

After Heartbleed we were able to get them funding and they really improved the quality . We're building back better .

Speaker 1 7:11

That's true , but OpenSSL 3.0 has been a mess . Anyway , I'm putting SSLv2 in considered harmful in TLS and S-tier it's goaded .

Speaker 2 7:19

I agree , tls is fucking goaded .

Speaker 3 7:21

This tier really has our society degraded so much that this is what counts as S-tier . Does nobody remember 2015 , when there was a new TLS attack coming out every month ? I won't deny it's better than SSLv2 , but S-tier should be reserved for things that created a revolution in cryptography .

Speaker 1 7:39

Brink of a revolution . You wouldn't even put Diffie Hellman in S-tier . How is TLS not the foundation of the web revolution ?

Speaker 2 7:45

Just put it in S-tier Barack Don't give him a chance . He'll talk your fucking ear off . And besides , the only revolution he knows about was January 6th .

Speaker 3 7:54

Shut up sleepy Joe . I'll tell you exactly how not . It may be used for HTTPS , but that's the only reason it's popular Cryptographic agility was a terrible decision . It isn't until TLS 1.3 that they even bothered to define the groups for key agreement in advance . Who wants to waste a round trip just to pick a prime number that might be backdoor ?

Speaker 2 8:16

I'll take .

Speaker 1 8:17

The protocol has evolved over time . Tls 1.3 could be considered a whole entry on its own .

Speaker 2 8:23

Yeah , how come SSLV2 gets its own entry in the tier list but TLS 1.3 doesn't ? What the hell , barack ?

Speaker 3 8:29

The only people who run TLS 1.3 are liberal big tech and they use zero RTT to push their fake news even faster . No one else implements it .

Speaker 2 8:38

Skill issue .

Speaker 1 8:39

Fine . Tls did have a rough time , but I think we landed in a good place with TLS 1.3 . I'll move it down to A-tier .

Speaker 2 8:46

I can't believe . Tls is fucking A-tier .

Speaker 3 8:48

Deal with it , sleepy Joe .

Speaker 2 8:49

Screw you Donald .

Speaker 1 8:52

Okay , SSH , this one should be another easy S tier .

Speaker 2 8:55

I agree , but I'm sure Donald is going to come in with some contrarian bullshit .

Speaker 3 8:59

SSHv2 was the only protocol designed in the 90s that wasn't pure scum . I agree it's S ? Tier .

Speaker 1 9:06

Holy shit , we agreed on something . Let's keep this moving with some VPN protocols . How do we feel about IPsec ?

Speaker 2 9:12

I've been deploying IPsec VPNs for years . It's a secure way to bridge your on-prem and cloud networks .

Speaker 1 9:18

Wait , you do network security architecture consulting .

Speaker 3 9:21

Yeah , and I don't know why he does . Sleepy Joe's network diagrams are going to ruin this country and your networks will be overrun with crime . Everyone knows IPsec is a dog shit protocol .

Speaker 1 9:31

IPsec is very complicated compared to a more modern VPN like WireGuard .

Speaker 2 9:35

WireGuard . Are you kidding me ? No one can deploy anything beyond a simple point-to-point WireGuard network without using tail scale , unless you have a full-blown network platform team like Flyio .

Speaker 3 9:47

That's true , sleepy .

Speaker 1 9:47

Joe Fine , IPsec is C tier and WireGuard is A tier .

Speaker 2 9:51

I can't believe you would do this to me , Brock .

Speaker 1 9:52

Can we just rank the noise protocol framework ?

Speaker 3 9:55

It's easy to make a protocol framework secure if you leave out key distribution . I would rather roll my own protocol with Libsodium than pretend I'm using noise .

Speaker 1 10:04

You shouldn't roll your own crypto , Donald .

Speaker 3 10:06

I'm not rolling my own crypto . I'm using Libsodium .

Speaker 2 10:09

I've never heard of the noise protocol framework .

Speaker 1 10:11

How have you heard of WireGuard and not noise ? Wireguard uses noise under the hood .

Speaker 3 10:16

Nothing uses noise under the hood . It's all custom variants .

Speaker 1 10:18

That's the point , Donald . It's a protocol framework , not a protocol implementation or specification .

Speaker 3 10:24

That's fucking useless Obama .

Speaker 1 10:25

It popularized triple-diffie-helmin and can provide authentication without needing signatures , and many systems have other mechanisms for key distribution , like an IDP .

Speaker 3 10:35

It's a B tier framework that sidesteps the hard problems .

Speaker 2 10:39

What's a protocol framework , Donald ?

Speaker 1 10:41

Shut up , joe . Ugh , fine , I'll put it in B tier , even though that feels mean to Trevor Perrin . Next up are AES , gcm and ChaCha Polly .

Speaker 3 10:48

GCM is trash ChaCha all the way .

Speaker 1 10:50

Of course you'd say that , donald , you're such a DJB stan .

Speaker 2 10:53

I thought his initials were DJT Donald J Trump .

Speaker 1 10:56

No , Joe , that doesn't make any sense . You can't stan yourself .

Speaker 3 10:59

I can , because I am the best and I am always winning .

Speaker 2 11:02

How come you lost the election to me , then , donald .

Speaker 3 11:04

You stole all the votes in Michigan . Nothing can be done to cure that giant scam now .

Speaker 1 11:09

Loser . Shut up you two . Aes GCM is good when you have hardware support . Chacha is good when you need to encrypt in software .

Speaker 3 11:17

Fuck you , Obama . Gcm is a trash AEAD and it's vulnerable to nonce collision attacks .

Speaker 1 11:22

So is ChaCha you idiot

Ranking Cryptographic Concepts and Algorithms

Speaker 1 11:24

. I'm ranking both B tier because they involve caller managed nonces .

Speaker 2 11:28

I just use a counter .

Speaker 1 11:29

Of course you do sleepy , Joe Donald , weren't you just complaining about the birthday bound ? Shouldn't you prefer counter based systems ? I never said that Fake news . God damn it , not this again . Would , you just shut up man Winning . We're moving on to hash functions .

Speaker 3 11:43

Dank Biden knows all about the good hash .

Speaker 1 11:46

That's right , I'm fucking lit , Joe . You gotta share that with me . Anyway , first one up is MD5 . This is an easy considered harmful . It's literally in the name of the paper .

Speaker 3 11:57

Remember when they used all those PS3 to calculate a hash collision of a root CA .

Speaker 2 12:02

That was totally dope . Also , I love the PS3 .

Speaker 3 12:04

Me too . Joe Want to play . Journey later .

Speaker 1 12:06

You can't pick who you play Journey with . That's the whole point of the game .

Speaker 3 12:10

Joe can watch me play it .

Speaker 2 12:11

Yeah , Barack , we can switch off .

Speaker 1 12:13

If we're playing PS3 , I want to play the Last of Us .

Speaker 3 12:16

You're just bandwagoning because of the TV show .

Speaker 1 12:18

Fuck you , Donald . Also , what the fuck does any of this have to do with MD5 ?

Speaker 3 12:22

Why are we even bothering with MD5 ? It's a total fraud , a bigger fraud than Biden winning the election .

Speaker 1 12:29

Skill issue . Donald , stop saying that .

Speaker 3 12:31

SHA-1 is also a total fraud .

Speaker 2 12:33

There's online tools to collide PDFs . It's even weaker than Trump's wall .

Speaker 1 12:37

Donald should have hired the team behind SHA-2 to build his wall . Maybe then it'd be collision resistant .

Speaker 3 12:43

No , I should have hired DJB to make my wall , because the only hash function I trust is SIPHASH . Attacks only get better , and if SHA-1 is broken , then SHA-2 and SHA-3 must be next .

Speaker 1 12:52

That's not how attacks work , donald . Sha-1 , 2 , and 3 are completely different things , and SIPHASH isn't even on our list . Stop bringing DJB into this .

Speaker 3 13:02

NIST backdoors , all the standards . I don't want anything that came out of a NIST competition . I told Rick Perry to cut NIST but he forgot what department they were in .

Speaker 2 13:11

NIST competitions grow the economy Benefits everybody , hurts nobody .

Speaker 1 13:15

Oh fuck , I forgot about Rick Perry . I'm a total idiot .

Speaker 2 13:18

We have to ignore this clown . Obama's SHA-2 is clearly S-tier .

Speaker 1 13:21

Agreed . What about SHA-3 ? There's a SHA-3 ? Yes , joe , there's a SHA-3 . It's a sponge-based construction .

Speaker 3 13:27

Moon math . I don't trust it .

Speaker 1 13:29

Sounds like a skill issue .

Speaker 2 13:30

What is a sponge construction ?

Speaker 1 13:32

It's good for making duplex objects but to be honest , there's not a big reason to not just use SHA-2 for regular hashing . I'm putting it in B-tier Since nobody knows what a duplex object is except me . I'm putting them in A-tier Because they're amazing , but I'm not sure if they're quantum resistant .

Speaker 3 13:50

Quantum computers aren't real . They're fake news .

Speaker 2 13:53

Isn't quantum for key distribution .

Speaker 3 13:55

Quantum key distribution isn't real sleepy Joe .

Speaker 1 13:57

Donald's right about quantum key distribution . It's a scam . Let's move on to some signatures . How do we want to rank DSA and ECDSA ?

Speaker 2 14:06

I don't see the point of DSA when you have RSA .

Speaker 3 14:09

RSA . Joe , are you so out of touch ? You think we should still sign with RSA ?

Speaker 1 14:13

We already ranked RSA Donald . But if you can't handle RSA signatures , I've got bad news for you about the WebPKI .

Speaker 3 14:19

I don't care about the failing WebPKI Obama , but DSA is D-tier shit . It wasn't useful until DJB invented elliptic curves .

Speaker 1 14:27

DJB didn't invent elliptic curves , it was Koblets and Miller .

Speaker 3 14:31

Never heard of them .

Speaker 2 14:32

Elliptic curves are just too complicated .

Speaker 1 14:34

Skill issue . I'm putting DSA and C-tier and ECDSA and A-tier .

Speaker 3 14:38

I'll allow DSA and C-tier because of its impact , but what are you smoking that ? You think ECDSA is A-tier ? Do you just expect everybody to special case points being added to themselves in addition and yet somehow still be constant time ? Did you hear that , people ? You think special cases are still constant time ? Edwards , curves are so much better . Ecdsa is B-tier at best .

Speaker 1 15:04

That may have been true in the 2000s , but we have complete formulas for the NIST curves now , with no special cases .

Speaker 3 15:09

Yeah , and they work by converting the loser NIST curves to them , to Edwards representations .

Speaker 1 15:14

Okay , fine , ecdsa is B-tier , but since no goddamn ED-25519 libraries can interoperate with each other on the edge cases , I keeping ED-DSA at B-tier as well .

Speaker 3 15:26

I'll allow it so long as you make Curve 25519 .

Speaker 1 15:29

S-tier . If Curve 25519 is S-tier , how come everybody has to copy Adam Langley's implementation everywhere ?

Speaker 2 15:35

Who's Adam Langley ? Is he the guy from Maroon 5 that looks like a Chipotle bag ?

Speaker 1 15:39

No , that's Adam Lambert . Agl is a cryptographer at Google .

Speaker 3 15:43

Want to get Chipotle later , Joe .

Speaker 2 15:44

Oh , fuck , yeah , that sounds awesome , donald Obama , hurry up with the tier list . Donnie and I are going to get Chipotle .

Speaker 1 15:50

God damn it . I'm not the one holding everything up . I'm putting Curve 25519 in A-tier because of the library and API issues and I'm putting the double odd curves in S-tier because they're clearly better than 25519 .

Speaker 3 16:03

No one takes those double odd curves seriously . But whatever , I'm beyond caring about your terrible tier list .

Speaker 1 16:09

I don't know why I agreed to do this either , but we're here and we're going to finish it . Next up is Restretto .

Speaker 2 16:14

If you need a prime order group , why don't you just take the integers mod P ?

Speaker 1 16:18

That's order P minus one Joe .

Speaker 3 16:20

Restretto is great because it lets you bridge Curve 25519 , the best curve to cryptocurrency protocols that use zero knowledge proofs .

Speaker 1 16:28

I'm not sure I care about the cryptocurrency use case that much , but I agree Restretto is very good at what it does , and Joe already showed us it's easy to fuck this up . I think this is a great example of do one thing and do it well . Let's put it in S tier .

Speaker 3 16:44

You just want to rank it higher than curve 25519 to fuck with me . But if that's what it takes to get some acknowledgement of all the developments in cryptography that have been driven by investment in cryptocurrency , I'm fine with it .

Speaker 1 16:59

Okay , moving on . Next up is dual EC .

Speaker 3 17:01

Backdoor . Dual EC is backdoor .

Speaker 2 17:04

We don't know that it's backdoor .

Speaker 1 17:06

I mean , we basically do , joe . Did you read the intelligence brief ? Ask me about it . On signal , I'm putting dual EC and backdoor . Next up is devu random for generating random numbers . Backdoor Backdoor . It's not fucking backdoor , donald . The implementation is open source .

Speaker 2 17:22

What if the entropy pool hasn't been fully initialized yet ? Remember all those keys Nadia factored using GCD back in 2012 ? Joe Biden remembers .

Speaker 1 17:31

Backdoor , backdoor . Shut the fuck up , donald . Backdoor Joe . Sounds like you're making the case for get random , which fixes the initialization blocking issue with you random .

Speaker 2 17:43

Yeah , openbsd has this right from the start .

Speaker 3 17:46

Shut up , joe . Theo might hear you , and then we'll have to invite him to Chipotle .

Speaker 1 17:50

Can I come to Chipotle ?

Speaker 3 17:51

No , obama , you have Ligma .

Speaker 1 17:53

I do not have Ligma Ligma balls . Sleepy Joe gets it . Fuck both of you . I'm putting you random in B tier and get random in S tier . Looks like B Crypt and S Crypt are next .

Speaker 3 18:02

I know you don't respect law and order , but if shut 2 is S tier , then B Crypt also should be S tier .

Speaker 1 18:06

Finally , Donald says something reasonable . How else are you going to hash passwords ?

Speaker 2 18:11

You're supposed to hash passwords .

Speaker 3 18:13

Not if you use email to sign in . Joe .

Speaker 2 18:15

I always just reset my password because I can't remember it .

Speaker 1 18:18

I'm putting S Crypt in B tier because no one actually needs a memory hard hash .

Speaker 3 18:22

What about Dogecoin ?

Speaker 1 18:23

Donald , I know you're an Elon stand , but Dogecoin is fucking stupid .

Speaker 3 18:26

Not , it's fucking goaded .

Speaker 2 18:28

It has a picture of a Shiba Inu . It's fucking goaded .

Speaker 1 18:31

Not fucking saying fucking goaded . Can we just finish this tier list ?

Speaker 2 18:36

It doesn't matter . I still agree that Snarks are Moon Math .

Speaker 3 18:39

That's not what he said , Sleepy Joe .

Speaker 1 18:40

Actually , you know what ? I don't understand any of this . Zero knowledge crap . If anything is Moon Math , it's Snarks .

Speaker 2 18:46

I agree . Anything with an elliptic curve is Moon Math .

Speaker 1 18:49

Let's skip ZK Snarks and Bullet Proofs . That leaves us with ECB and X509 .

Speaker 2 18:54

ECB is the one with the penguins right . It's the worst of the cipher modes .

Speaker 3 18:58

Finally , Sleepy Joe says something I can agree with ECB and Considered Harmful .

Speaker 1 19:02

Done . That leaves us with X509 .

Speaker 2 19:04

Trash , trash .

Speaker 1 19:06

Trash X509 . It's Considered Harmful . All right , fellas , we did it . We completed the tier list . We're done .

Speaker 3 19:14

We did it , Joe . Let's go get Chipotle while my Minecraft is updating .

Speaker 2 19:18

Yeah , let's do it , donald . See you later Obama .